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Introduce ThinkorSwim

Posted by Satuki On July - 4 - 2009

My main trading platform is TradeStation.  But I also have ThinkorSwim as a back-up along with Interactive Brokers for their combined long list of shortable stocks. ThinkorSwim has been rated 4.5 out of 5 by Barrons’ a few years in a row.  This is the highest score. TradeStation and Interactive Brokers tie with ThinkorSwim most of the time. 

 

Pros

  1. ThinkorSwim has very good charting.  It is smooth and accurate.
  2. It has a very deep database to provide you with up to 20 years of historical data, which is very important for back testing.
  3. The platform (Think Desktop) is pretty stable.  
  4. The software is written in Java.  So it can run almost on any operation systems such as Windows, MAC OS (a UNIX flavor),  and *nix.   In addition to their desktop application, they have Think Anywhere®, Think Micro® and Think Mobile® for various hand held devices such as Blackberry/Nokia, IPhone.
  5. Superior customer service.   You can even chat with a Rep inside the desktop application.
  6. A decent list of shortable stocks.
  7. The learning curve is flat.   
  8. No monthly data fees like TradeStation and Interactive Brokers charge.
  9. If you take 40 or more trades every month, they will cover your Internet cost (39.95 per month). 
  10. You can easily split ThinkorSwim into dual/multi monitor set-up.  Want to have a crazy 24 monitor set-up like this?

 

 

Cons:

  1. ThinkorSwim commission is the highest among these 3 brokers.  They do have 2 fee structures for trading stocks. One is $.015 per share ($5.00 minimum) or flat $9.95 per trade (5,000 shares maximum).   Obviously it is too expensive if you compare it with TradeStation or Interactive Brokers.  Here is the commission that TradeStation chargesHere is the commission that Interactive Brokers charges. 

 

In conclusion,   I like ThinkorSwim. But I only use it occasionally due to its expensive commission and the way I trade.  You can not use ThinkorSwim if you are a scalper or your trading style is similar to mine.  But if you are a swing trader, go for it.


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  • Ram Hati
    HI,
    Thnx for your input.
    Whats a scalper?
    Any solid literature on E mini trades?
    Thx
  • Here is a good read on scalping. But it is hard and will take a long time to master it.
    http://www.investopedia.com/articles/trading/05...

    I do not trade E Mini.
  • I have another Q. Of course it is important to protect your capitol. Now, with you making so many trades a month, and some of your profits being small, do you aim to keep your commissions under or within a certain percentage range of your profits? Is there a good rule of thumb that says your commisions/SEC fees should be under 5-7 percent of your profits or anything like that?
    .-= rottenrott´s last blog ..Dire Need. =-.
  • In fact, I am not at my full trading capacity yet. I used to take 50 -70 round trip trades a day. Commissions are included in the calculation of my portfolio .

    >>Is there a good rule of thumb that says your commisions/SEC fees should be under 5-7 percent of your profits or anything like that?

    I do not think your commissions have any correlation with your profits. If you pay your broker 2000 dollars a month in commissions and you make 3000 dollars net a month. It is perfectly fine. You only care about how much will end up in your pocket every month. That is all it matters.
  • rottenrott
    Do you mean that you cannot use TOS if you are a scalper or with your trading style b/c it is cost prohibitive or are they regulating that? I assume you just mean it is cost prohibitive.
  • it is the cost. If you take 50+ trades a day, the comssion is going to be pretty high. It is a broker's day dream that every his client were a scalper since that would generate a ton of commission
  • Tony
    Hi Ms. Satuki,

    My name is Tony. I read most of your information on your website and I like them a lot. I can say I am a big fan of you. I am learning to be a day trader and I never short stocks before as I always go long on stocks. I'd like to learn how to technically short stocks from you Ms. Satuki. Please help answer the following questions:

    1-SELL SHORT
    a-I know in order to short stocks I need to have a margin account with a borker, right now I just have a cash account. So I need to have a margin account set up first and have some fund for it, right?

    b- I should check the shortable list of stocks every morning with the broker's website everyday to see what stocks I am allowed to short, right?

    c-Then if I see a stock, ie MEE is going down, the DOW is down and the market is going down too, I should jump in by clicking "sell short" function on my trade software either by market price or limit price, right? For example, I shorted MEE at $17

    d-If I see the price keeps going down, I can "buy to cover" it anytime for a profit. I could click on "buy to cover" button when the price is down, ie $16.5, to have a profit of $.5 per share, right?

    e-That's it for shorting a stock, right? WHAT ELSE COULD I DO? What about margin account? If I sold short a stock and then bought to cover on the same day, I don't need to pay interest and divident for it, right?
    What if I keep it for a few day, how much interest I have to pay?
    And I don't hold the stock on its ex-div date, I don't have to pay div, right?
    WHAT ELSE DO I NEED TO KNOW?

    2- I'm with Wellsfargo broker right now and I'm on trial use of esignal software for charts, I plan to integrate esignal with Interactive Brokers ( because esignal only integrates with Interactive Brokers, not with Tradestation or ThinkorSwim), do you think that is a good choice??? Monthly payment for esignal is about $130.

    3-if I will use Tradestation only like you, how much I will pay for charts and data?

    4-If I use Interactive Brokers for buying and selling stocks only, not for data and charts, do I have to pay a monthly fee?

    I VERY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP TO ANWSER THESE QUESTIONS.
    THANKYOU
  • Let me try to answer your questions
    a: Yes you need a margin account for short selling
    b: Yes you should check availability of a shortable target every morning.
    c: That is correct.
    d: could not be more correct
    e: You do not need to pay for interest as long as your positions are closed on the same day. If you keep your shorts overnight then your broker's margin interest rate applies, which can rang for 7% to 9%. I do not think you need to pay dividend on your shorts. But I could be wrong on this.

    2/3: 130 is way too much. You only need to pay Tradestation 50-60 a month for all real time data you need.

    4: Free or USD 10.00 market data fee if less than USD 30.00 in commissions per month

    I hope it helps.
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