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Risk Management: Respect Risk

Posted by Satuki On April - 5 - 2009

The primary goal to invest/trade in the stock markets is to make money.  However, we will never achieve this goal if we do not know why and how to manage risk.

 

Why risk management has top priority

In trading, risk management is far more important than anything else.  To make money, we need a trading stake.  How could we make  money if our trading accounts are wiped out or our capital is tied in some rotting positions?  It is absolutely  OK to have losers. But it is NOT OK to hold onto them once Mr. Market has warned us to get out.  Here is a post about how to treat losers and another about how to set stop loss orders.  

 

How to control your risk

So the first thing is to cut the losers.  Nevertheless. It is not enough to just cut the losers. If we have many losers to cut in a very short period of time, they can add up quickly.  We will have to set our overall loss cap and adjust our position size accordingly.  For day trading, our loss per trade should not exceed 0.5% of our total capital and our daily loss cap should be no more than 1.5% of our trading capital.  In other words, we stop trading after 3 losers in a row. A daily loss cap is not enough; we need to set a weekly cap too. My weekly cap is 5%.  If I have lost 5% by Wednesday, I will stop trading for the rest of the week.  And my monthly cap is 10%.

 

We will also have to pay attention to our position size. Position size should be reduced to a level where we can feel comfortable without looking at it or thinking about it constantly. If we are constantly worried about our positions, then they are too big and our judgment will be impaired.

 

In order to control position size, we will have to pay attention to what sectors our positions are in. If we have MOS and POT at the same time, then they are considered one position since they move together most of the time. We should only have one of them or at least split our capital between them.  For example, after careful studies, you feel comfortable with 10k per trade.  You normally choose whatever is the strongest in a sector. Let’s say MOS. You put 10k into MOS and have nothing in POT. If you really like POT, then do a 50/50 or 60/40 split between MOS and POT.  You just can not have 10k in each since that would be equivalent to 20k on a fertilizer stock.

 

Another advantage about reducing the size of our positions is that we can use a wider stop loss and still stay within our risk threshold. If our risk for each trade is 200, then our stop loss would be 2% of a 10K position or 4% of a 5k position.  With the same amount of risk, a wider stop loss works better than a narrow one.  Of course, our profits will drop due to the reduced size.  But once again, I will put risk control before anything else in trading.

 

Here is the recap

  1. Cut losers
  2. Set a daily/weekly/monthly loss cap
  3. Control position size
  4. Pay attention to sectors

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  • Mom, nice site.

    I have day traded for several years while holding down a job. Got laif off and now am trading full time. You can watch my progress on my blog if interested. Hopefully it will be positive..LOL!

    Anyway, with respect to risk management here's what I've learned. While extremely important, hard and fast rules can really have a negative impact on results. For example, I agree with your .05% per trade rule and use that exact same number myself, usually. And there in lies the conflict.

    IMO, you have to be able to recognize great setups. In other words, there are times when it is absolutely appropriate to risk more and I firmly believe this is ultimately what seperates those who make great profits from those who just grind it out. Likewise there are also times when risking .05% is too much because the setup is just marginal. Ultimately being able to tell the great from the good, marginal or bad is the key.

    I also have what I call the 3 to 1 rule. I don't want to lose anymore in 1 day than I can make up in 3. So, for me, I'm more apt to watch my overall portfolio PnL than be too concerned about any 1 particular trade.

    Anyhow, just my .02. Again, nice site.

    Good Luck too you.
  • Traderx, your comment is insightful and well put. I normally try not to take any trades that have marginal set-ups. I try my very best to wait until there is money laying around the corner and all I have to do is to go there and pick it up. So I really do not trade that frequently.
  • Hi - Im a Canadian full time trader for both my individual account and for a group of private high net worth individuals. I enjoy the simplicity and honesty of your site - kind of refreshing - especially your rock solid money management skills. In addition to my trading, I develop Excel based software - specifically for trading and in particular risk management, position sizing, and probability - take a look at my site and in particular my blog which I update frequently - there are a NUMBER of web tutorials which highlight what most people dont know about directional trading, although I suspect some of this may be 2nd nature to you. For the record - Im not looking for anything other than constructive feedback from traders. I am eventually going to market the m3 -Money Management Modeler at some point in the not too distant future - but for now I am trying build not only a data base but a forum which promotes constructive criticism and dialogue to improve what I think is a fantastic product which I use daily when modeling out the risk/reward parameters of a trade that I am about to initiate.

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    Brian Ault
  • Brain, I always put risk management before profits. Good luck with your site.
  • David
    Brian, I agree with your remarks about Satuki's site, which I believe is one of the best of its kind.

    I just viewed the video re: "Exiting a trade..." on your blog. Well done. I look forward to seeing more of the M3 money management modeler you've developed. Good luck!

    Cheers,

    David
  • Thanks David, I hope everything is going well with you.
  • 1motrade
    Bonjour Trader Mom!
    Enjoy your site, one link will be good to share with your readers is:

    http://oak.ucc.nau.edu/del/stockcalcs/sizer.aspx

    The above link is a friendly Stock Position Sizing Calculators

    Sayonara : )
  • I like the dynamic calculator better. Of course, we can also factor in the importance of key resistance or support . I always try to look for a meaningful support/resistance first for a stop loss order under the condition that I do not exceed my risk threshold.
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