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I am on my way back to scapling.

Posted by Satuki On March - 12 - 2009

Perhaps a lot of us already know how important it is to let our winners run.  However, scalping is totally the opposite of that idiom.  And it works for day traders.

 

Almost every stock can move a few percentage points every day. The stock market consolidates 60-70% of the time, during which most stocks chop around.  Choppy moves are the biggest enemy of the traders who like to ride winners. However, scalpers love choppy moves since they try to capture very small moves only. For example, it is very easy for AAPL or BIDU to move up/down 1% during any time frame.   A good scalper might capture a 0.5% move within a few minutes and then repeat it over and over again. Not only are smaller moves easy to capture, but they are a lot more frequent than bigger moves as well.  For example, AAPL might chop around 5-6 times a day and each chop moves 1-2%.  But it might have only one big move of 3-4% during the whole day.  Small profits add up very quickly.

 

A good scalping trade is profitable right after your entry.  So you will be closing your position in the next few minutes.   This kind of rapid firing makes your trading stake less exposed to risk. This also solves one problem for some people who can never hold onto winners

 

There are 2 hurdles in scalping though.  One is the accuracy of your day trading rifle assuming your marksmanship is a constant.  The other is that it is a bit of exhausting since you might need to aim and shoot more than 20 times a day.

 

As for me, I used to be a scalper (strictly day trader) before 2008. I did pretty well back then.  I averaged 6k-7k per month in profits for 7 moths in a row in 2007 running a 50k account.  And it started to go down hill from Jan 2008. I lost 10k in that month alone and stopped scalping immediately after that.  That quick and solid damage control really saved me.  

 

One single best thing about scalping is that you can trade any stock you want since all of them have multiple small moves of 1-2% every day.  Now I am determined to pick up scalping for day trading again. I will need to look at my previous trades again to see why I made those good solid scalping trades and why I failed in Jan 2008. 

 

See the daily charts of my glorious days of scalping  DRYS, RIMM, FSLR and VMW.  Of cousre, there were many other more stocks I day traded.    Each dot is a trade I took back in 2007.

 

Click on them to have a better view

VMW

DRYS

 FSLR

 

 RIMM

 

Of course my swing trading is all about “let winners run”.  I hope you are all doing well.


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  • nitin
    what you have to keep in mind at the time scapling

    can you trade without chart
  • Charts are very important. Cut your losers and keep your winners is what you need to keep in your mind all the time
  • techt
    Trader Mom Said "Now I am determined to pick up scalping for day trading again. I will need to look at my previous trades again to see why I made those good solid scalping trades and why I failed in Jan 2008"

    The answer is pretty simple, the market turned around and started a free fall in 2008, just following the 20/50 ema on your daily, would have saved you $10K
  • I think it might be something else than the market drop. The market started to drop in mid Oct 2007. I did pretty good in Nov/Dec 2007 during which the market also dropped hard. Another interesting part is that 55% of my scalping trades were shorts. I like to fade(buck) the trend. I averaged 50-60 trades per day back then. And I did well until Jan 2008. There must be some issues with my trading. I have not yet found why . I have been working hard on it ever since this post.
  • Great site keep, I really like the layout and will be giving you a link back from my site.
  • jp
    Funny, I'm thinking of getting away from scalping back to swing.
    Say on a scalp, you are risking $50 to make $150, that seems pretty good, until you realize that buying bigger lots leave you much more vulnerable to volatility. Quite often a tiny downtick will stop you out for your loss.
    I've probably made $1k and lost $3k this month on scalping experiments, it's just been too hard for me to find that sweet spot of entry.
  • You are right. It is very hard to get your entries right. Tight stops mean that you will perhaps be whipsawed like crazy. I am still testing it. There must be some reasons why I could be profitable as a scalper 7 months in a row. I would give up scalping If it were not for 7 months in a row. And of course, my core positions will always be swing trades that will religiously follow the battle proven strategy-- Ride the Winners.
  • Hi tradermom, this is a very interesting article. I tried scalping and did about 40 trades or so within a few hours but ended as I started at b-e, which I found very disappointing. So I didn't try that anymore because later I realized I've been very lucky that time.

    Letting winners run isn't that big a problem if you have some help from indicators like SMA's or anything that will tell you a trend is ending. And psychological knowledge, which I find at the site from Brett Steenbarger: http://traderfeed.blogspot.com/

    Keep on writing!

    Roberto
  • The hardest part for scalping is the accuracy. I am not forgoing "let the winners run" since my swing trading is all about that. I just want a system that can compliment my swing trading. After all, the market chops around 70% of the time like today.
  • Jeff
    95% of my trading for the month of March is strictly scalping. 2 major reasons for this:

    1) These days, the littlest of rumors, no matter which industry it pertains to, practically moves the broad market.

    2) I am a self admitted bad "let the winners run" trader. I think I choose a good entry point but seems to always exit too early, being satisfied with decent gains but leaving a lot on the table.

    Luckily for me, the 5% where I didn't scalp and actually held for a few days was with FAS. Small positions though as I was burned the by it last week.

    Let's see how far this rally or bounce (not wanting to offend people with different views) can take us.
  • Jeff, I know you are being nice. But please say whatever you have on your mind. I would love to hear criticism and opposite views that are thought-provoking.
  • Jeff
    TraderMom,

    No criticism from here as I agree with what you're saying about scalping. Sometimes though I feel like it's too risky especially for days like today when most stocks and the broad market practically traded in the range of 1-1.5%. I find it too risky to shell out $10K with a potential return of $150 max when the slightest of news or if anyone from the administration speaks can drastically (even if it's only temporary) alter the "channeling" movement where scalpers make a living.

    Despite what I just mentioned, I bought into the temptation of today's market and lost.

    I use candlesticks, volume and 2 sets of Bollinger bands (one with 1 SD and the other with 2 SD settings). I found this set up very useful for scalping and day trading.
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