logo Satuki @ Home

Trade for a living

Sign up for my latest trading ideas. Free!

How to set stop loss

Posted by Satuki On December - 28 - 2008

We already know that the importance of using a stop loss oder can not be stressed enough. You can see how quickly I cut losers in My Portfolio. However, here are a few questions for us to ponder over

  • When do I set a stop loss?
  • Should I use a soft (mental) stop loss or a hard stop lost?
  • Where do I set a stop loss?
  • What am I supposed to do if my position flips on a penny?

When do I set a stop loss?

A stop loss point should be well planed before you enter a trade and placed right after your entry. You should already know where your entry point is before you open a trade. If you are still trading as it goes, you are not ready yet. In other words, you should NOT trade randomly. Every entry, stop loss and exit should be well planed in advance.

 

Should I use a soft(mental) stop loss or a hard stop loss?

All small players ( less than 1 Million trading capital) should use hard stop loss provided they trade liquid stocks. Mental stop loss is for 2 kinds of traders. One is extremely sophisticated traders. This group of people are the killers of all killers. The other is beginning traders who just want some excuses for not using stop loss.

Where do I set a stop loss?

I use 2 strategies.

  • 1: Use a previous support/resistance. As we can see from the picture below. It is a 5 minute chart. You enter a short trade around region 1 and your stop loss is set around region 2. Region 2 shows some resistance (a former high). Your stop loss should be a few cents higher than that high. If you enter a long trade around region 4 and your stop loss should be set around 5 since we had a huge support floor one day ago. This support is very solid if you combine 6 and 7. If you entered around 4 and held onto your position, it would be one solid run for a day trader.

  • 2: Use your maximum allowable loss in dollar amount. For example, let’s say you can not lose more than 300 dollars per position, which is at most 1% of your portfolio. 0.5% is even better. you have 300 shares of xyz @ 30/share. You would set your stop loss around 29.00. 29 is a good number considering a lot of people are told not to set their stop loss on whole numbers. Think outside of the box.

What am I supposed to do if my position flips on a penny?

Let it be. Any trader would step in at any moment to put in a sell/buy order to trigger your stop loss. Do not blame yourself for that. It is totally out of your control. You can not remove your stop loss, period. If your system is good, it should regenerate an entry signal when the stock reverses to a new high/low. Nevertheless, do you have the willpower to reenter that position in which you just lost $300?

 

I sometimes prefer the second strategy than the first since I do believe sometimes Market Makers of some small cap stocks do deliberately take out stop loss orders at key supports. It is pretty hard to do that for large caps such as AAPL, RIMM and GOOG. There are many other different strategies to set stop loss orders. Other traders please feel free to share yours with us. 


15 consecutive profitable months is hard to believe,right? Check out "My Portfolio".

Do you like my consistency? Would you like to receive the latest trading ideas or other updates from my blog? Then join hundreds of others on my mailing list below. It is totally free and easy to opt-out.

Enter your email address:


Most Commented Posts


Say what you want. But spamming, trolling and insulting will result in an instant ban.

  • Charles
    I have been working on developing a day trading strategy based on a simple goal: a 1% gain from a leveraged index such as BGU or BGZ, depending on the market sentiment of the day. A trade would be executed twice weekly. The planned exit would be +1%, with a stop loss at a hair below break even. I would attempt a correctly timed entry point, but I still assume a stop-loss exit 50% of the time. That could still yield about 1% weekly. To me it seems a conservative strategy. but does it have a realistic chance of success, or are my assumptions too optimistic?
  • That is extremely ambitious. 1% per week amounts to 50% a year.
  • Jack
    Mom:

    Stop loss orders are great. But how do you fend off suicidal aftermarket hour drops? Personally been day trading and have been all positive on my account, however, I lost more than a manageable amount on FNM recently because it dropped so much in after hours! How do I manage this?
  • Well, the broker(Tradestation) that I use does not allow me to use stop market during A/H trading since there is normally a very large spread. You know it has much more risk to hold positions overnight than day trading. So you should always keep your overnight positions small. I had a 40% gap-down and a 20% gap up. Since those positions were small, I recovered those losses quickly
  • Gene
    Thanks Trader Mom:

    Well my inexperience reared it's ugly head today. Not only did I lose a bit on FAS (suckers rally?) but it dropped like a stone and even though I was watching it closely it jumped up and bit me in the butt. I thought I had planned it out pretty good but it just moved to fast. Besides, stupid me didn't pay attention to setting stops. I'm realizing I know not so much and this scenario will not happen again. I about broke even for I made a profit on Citigroup yesterday. Thanks for your help MOM I appreciate it. Good trading and health to you and yours! Gene
  • Gene
    Hello Trader Mom:

    Kind of the new guy here on the block.. Not all that knowledgeable but am interested in trading not investing.. I've read thru your posts and web site and must say I'm learning a lot..
    Using a small Roth Ira as a slush account to build my account.. My question is as follows when you can spare the time to answer.. Thank you!

    Could you please explain how you may use a stop limit and a trailing stop in both an up market and a down market too? thanks, Gene
  • Gene, feel free to ask questions. First I am against using stop limit since you can not escape when the price jumps thru your limit. And it is not worth the risk for a few cents of a possible slippage. If you trade liquid stocks, you do not have to worry about slippage that much. That is one reason I am against trading illiquid stocks.

    It is the same method to set your stop losses whether you are in a down market or up market. You use the 2 methods I suggested in this article for your initial stops. Once your position is up 2%(day trades) or 5-7%(short swing trades), you need to trail your profitable positions. As for how to trail your profitable positions, I would normally allow it to retrace at least 50% of my profit. The more you allow it to retrace, the more likely it will hit your target. However, you might lose a big chunk of profits. It is all proportional.
  • Thanks George, LEAP is forming a not-so-standard header and shoulder on the daily chart.
  • George Richards
    Hi TraderMom, love your site and have enjoyed reading your thoughts and ideas.
    You are doing very well in your trading, when I think back at my first 3-4 years, I was losing 6000 a month and about to have a nervous break-down. Thank You for the time and effort you put into this site, as I am sure it helps many traders. Be Well and Good Trading. P.S. Look at your week chart for LEAP
blog comments powered by Disqus

Twitter: Follow Trader Mom
RSS Feed: Subscribe in a reader
MDT Portf
Ino TV Free Trend Analysis Banners